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	<title>Comments on: The Idea-Monger: No Genius Required</title>
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		<title>By: Vladimir Nedović</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vladimir Nedović]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 22:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I should not say &#039;innate&#039; preferences, as they may well stem from nurture as much as from nature. But in any case come naturally, rather than be learned or acquired consciously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should not say &#8216;innate&#8217; preferences, as they may well stem from nurture as much as from nature. But in any case come naturally, rather than be learned or acquired consciously.</p>
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		<title>By: Vladimir Nedović</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vladimir Nedović]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm, both in the article as well as in the discussion, you seem to follow the reasoning (I would call it typically American, my Turkish friend would say Western) that everything can be learned if it is properly understood.

But aloofness usually requires the fascination for a topic or subject, which none of you here mention. And what is fascination? Can that be explained by some conscious mechanism (or can you push yourself to acquire it, without being ridiculous and miserable)? I tend to think that fascination, and as a consequence also creativity and genius to some extent do relate to innate preferences and capabilities. Of course, hard work is crucial, but I believe there is talent as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, both in the article as well as in the discussion, you seem to follow the reasoning (I would call it typically American, my Turkish friend would say Western) that everything can be learned if it is properly understood.</p>
<p>But aloofness usually requires the fascination for a topic or subject, which none of you here mention. And what is fascination? Can that be explained by some conscious mechanism (or can you push yourself to acquire it, without being ridiculous and miserable)? I tend to think that fascination, and as a consequence also creativity and genius to some extent do relate to innate preferences and capabilities. Of course, hard work is crucial, but I believe there is talent as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Jude</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 04:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Genius is a strange concept
It is supposed to mean extraordinarily intelligent
But I am wondering if it really means brave enough to be themselves, to follow their interests and to speak out and be true to themselves despite ridicule.
I feel there are many more geniuses out there than is realised
It is hard to speak out and hard to find someone to listen]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Genius is a strange concept<br />
It is supposed to mean extraordinarily intelligent<br />
But I am wondering if it really means brave enough to be themselves, to follow their interests and to speak out and be true to themselves despite ridicule.<br />
I feel there are many more geniuses out there than is realised<br />
It is hard to speak out and hard to find someone to listen</p>
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		<title>By: Changizi News &#171; Changizi Blog</title>
		<link>http://changizi.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/the-idea-monger-no-genius-required/#comment-817</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Changizi News &#171; Changizi Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 13:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] What my daughter&#8217;s irreverent attempt at a game better than chess tells us about creativity. See the game in action, and her hand-written rules, here. See also some of my earlier pieces on irreverence and aloofness and&#8230; anglerfish. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] What my daughter&#8217;s irreverent attempt at a game better than chess tells us about creativity. See the game in action, and her hand-written rules, here. See also some of my earlier pieces on irreverence and aloofness and&#8230; anglerfish. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Marinos</title>
		<link>http://changizi.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/the-idea-monger-no-genius-required/#comment-519</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Marinos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another aspect to this is that ideas can also be just plain wrong.  Apparently Newton devoted much more time alchemy, which is now a footnote to his life story, then to what we now accept as his legacy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another aspect to this is that ideas can also be just plain wrong.  Apparently Newton devoted much more time alchemy, which is now a footnote to his life story, then to what we now accept as his legacy.</p>
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		<title>By: changizi</title>
		<link>http://changizi.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/the-idea-monger-no-genius-required/#comment-514</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[changizi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 02:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice quote! And, I&#039;d add, the scary thing about all that contemplation time is that it still might not lead to any idea at all! And if not, it&#039;s hard to reconcile in one&#039;s mind what all that wasted time was for. (Of course, it was for the *chance* at a great idea.) -Mark]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice quote! And, I&#8217;d add, the scary thing about all that contemplation time is that it still might not lead to any idea at all! And if not, it&#8217;s hard to reconcile in one&#8217;s mind what all that wasted time was for. (Of course, it was for the *chance* at a great idea.) -Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Marinos</title>
		<link>http://changizi.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/the-idea-monger-no-genius-required/#comment-513</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Marinos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 00:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article.

I have always been struck by this from G Spencer Brown in &quot;Laws of Form&quot; which is about being aloof - but in the real world.  

&quot;To arrive at the simplest truth, as Newton knew and practiced, requires years of contemplation. Not activity. Not reasoning. Not calculating. Not busy behaviour of any kind. Not reading. Not talking. Not making an effort. Not thinking. Simply bearing in mind what it is one needs to know. And yet those with the courage to tread this path to real discovery are not only offered practically no guidance on how to do so, they are actively discouraged and have to set about it in secret, pretending meanwhile to be diligently engaged in the frantic diversions and to conform with the deadening personal opinions which are continually being thrust upon them.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article.</p>
<p>I have always been struck by this from G Spencer Brown in &#8220;Laws of Form&#8221; which is about being aloof &#8211; but in the real world.  </p>
<p>&#8220;To arrive at the simplest truth, as Newton knew and practiced, requires years of contemplation. Not activity. Not reasoning. Not calculating. Not busy behaviour of any kind. Not reading. Not talking. Not making an effort. Not thinking. Simply bearing in mind what it is one needs to know. And yet those with the courage to tread this path to real discovery are not only offered practically no guidance on how to do so, they are actively discouraged and have to set about it in secret, pretending meanwhile to be diligently engaged in the frantic diversions and to conform with the deadening personal opinions which are continually being thrust upon them.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: changizi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[changizi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2010 01:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree on productivity, and on aiming one&#039;s papers for *some* audience that actually exists. Whether one really must have peers (that one is community-ing with), though, is not as clear to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree on productivity, and on aiming one&#8217;s papers for *some* audience that actually exists. Whether one really must have peers (that one is community-ing with), though, is not as clear to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Old post, by internet standards, but would like to comment...

How would I answer? &quot;Not like me,&quot; probably. No network of peers, not enough productivity:

I think aloofness is the state I naturally tend towards, and a state of emotional detachment I seek. Sometimes, when I get into good community, it seems that there would be creative ideas in all the aloofness, in learning about different fields and not caring about the boundaries (or rather, caring about crossing them).
But, there are social factors to creativity: your idea is not creative per se, but only when there is a community recognizing it as creative, as valuable. You can be Da Vinci, but if people think your Mona Lisa just has crooked teeth, tough luck. If you get caught between fields, you can develop creative ideas, and still not find a way of getting anywhere with them.
Is an idea that goes unnoticed really creative?

It also takes productivity, now more than ever: if you don&#039;t develop your ideas, at least into papers, possibly into things and practices (and then, explain said practices well), you can be as creative as you want - it is just thoughts stuck in your head, not really anything that is created.
(Boston Consulting Group ran advertisements stating that &quot;thinking is acting,&quot; but I think I have to disagree.)

So, I think what it takes is peers, productivity - but yes, also the aloofness to stand outside of petty babble about proper behavior.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old post, by internet standards, but would like to comment&#8230;</p>
<p>How would I answer? &#8220;Not like me,&#8221; probably. No network of peers, not enough productivity:</p>
<p>I think aloofness is the state I naturally tend towards, and a state of emotional detachment I seek. Sometimes, when I get into good community, it seems that there would be creative ideas in all the aloofness, in learning about different fields and not caring about the boundaries (or rather, caring about crossing them).<br />
But, there are social factors to creativity: your idea is not creative per se, but only when there is a community recognizing it as creative, as valuable. You can be Da Vinci, but if people think your Mona Lisa just has crooked teeth, tough luck. If you get caught between fields, you can develop creative ideas, and still not find a way of getting anywhere with them.<br />
Is an idea that goes unnoticed really creative?</p>
<p>It also takes productivity, now more than ever: if you don&#8217;t develop your ideas, at least into papers, possibly into things and practices (and then, explain said practices well), you can be as creative as you want &#8211; it is just thoughts stuck in your head, not really anything that is created.<br />
(Boston Consulting Group ran advertisements stating that &#8220;thinking is acting,&#8221; but I think I have to disagree.)</p>
<p>So, I think what it takes is peers, productivity &#8211; but yes, also the aloofness to stand outside of petty babble about proper behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Jude</title>
		<link>http://changizi.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/the-idea-monger-no-genius-required/#comment-430</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 01:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No geniuses
Just us
Question everything
:)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No geniuses<br />
Just us<br />
Question everything <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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